The US and Ireland are legalizing gay marriage. When will Poland?

Recent events have made the Polish LGBT community both hopeful and dismayed. On the one hand, they have witnessed a significant accomplishment by the United States and Ireland moving to legalize gay marriage. The second especially should cause Poles to take note: Ireland is a nation quite similar to theirs in terms of religious background, and they established marriage equality in an unprecedented way: by national vote. But at that time last month, the presidential election campaign in Poland was nearing its end, and election day was hardly cheerful—not only for the LGBT but for all left-wing people. 

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The Tęcza (Rainbow) art installation at the the Adam Mickiewicz Institute in Warsaw, designed by Julita Wójcik, has been burned several times as a symbol of protest against gay rights

Both candidates were conservatives and the difference between them was not clear. (To quote a popular Internet meme of the time, “For vegetarian options this weekend, we serve pork and beef.”) Their campaigns were based on mutual distaste of the competition and left many voters confused and discouraged. The result of the election, though, was quite a surprise, as the winner was not widely known until recently.

As a result, we are not quite sure what Andrzej Duda’s victory will bring about. Polish queers especially lost their hope, as his opinion on sexual minorities is quite clear—his party is right-wing and strongly connected with the Episcopate. One of his first comments after the election results were announced was on the surface reassuring: he promised to be the president who “serves all Polish people.” However, the fact that these words were spoken in the Sanctuary of Jasna Góra places him in a position that is not so impartial.

It is hard not to draw comparisons between Poland and Ireland—both countries are heavily Catholic, with the Catholic Church holding sway over politics and people’s views. Both were faced with a major crisis after the exposure of pedophilia among priests. But while the Irish have lost their faith in the Catholic Church’s positions on sexuality, hardly anything changed in Poland. What are the chances that in Poland, one day, people will make a similar decision? Before venturing any prognoses, let’s take a look at the past.

Poland is proud to be “the country without stakes,” as in the 15th and 16th centuries it was well-known for its openness and tolerance. Even then, though, “the sin of sodomy” was punishable by death pursuant to a Polish legal code from 1559. In 1561, in Kazimierz—now part of Krakow—a man was burned at the stake because “he lived as woman and married a man.” In the 18th and 19th centuries, when the partitioned Poland was under Prussian, Austrian, and Russian rule and was governed by their laws, “sinful acts” were punished by exile, prison, or detainment in “improvement” facilities. In 1932, the new Penal Code contained no mention of homosexual acts.

After World War II, the political elites of People’s Republic were not gay-friendly, as homosexuality was considered pathological, but until 1985 queers were kept under surveillance rather than oppressed. This changed when Czesław Kiszczak, the Minister of Internal Affairs, initiated an action called “Hiacynt” (“Hyacinth”). The purpose of the action was to arrest and catalogue gay men—only men—in order to blackmail them. Data on almost 11,000 persons was gathered under the guise of preventive action caused by the AIDS threat. In 2007 the IPN (Institute of National Remembrance) issued a statement that the “Hiacynt” action did not violate any law under PRP’s legal regulations.

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Miazga (Pulp), a 1979 novel by bisexual Polish writer Jerzy Andrzejewski which dealt with homosexuality, was censored by the communist government

After 1989 the situation slowly began to change. In 1990, the Lambda association, the first official LGBT organization in Poland, was registered. The government’s reaction to sexual minorities was a somewhat peculiar mixture of “we don’t care” and “you are disgusting”—there were no attempts to penalise homosexual acts, but the ruling elites, including Deputy Minister of Health Kazimierz Kapera, were not trying to hide their aversion. When in 1991 that Minister was dismissed by the Prime Minister because of his hateful comments on the homosexuals, the Archbishop Józef Glemp took his side, making the Catholic Church, unsurprisingly, an opponent to sexual minorities.

12 years later, in 2003, the first draft of the Civil Partnership Act was submitted by Maria Szyszkowska but was never subjected for debate in the Sejm (the lower chamber of the Polish Parliament). Since then, three parties submitted similar drafts, with all of them discarded in the Parliament sessions. Even this year, in May, the Parliament voted down yet another draft, with 56% of MPs opposing it.

The subject of civil partnership is quite obviously a taboo for conservative parties. There is hardly anything resembling a debate going on—all drafts are simply rejected automatically without discussing them. In 2008, the government spokesperson issued a rather disarmingly straightforward statement on the matter: “the Cabinet did not and will not deal with this issue.” 2011 was an important year as two LGBT activists and politicians—Robert Biedroń, openly gay, and Anna Grodzka, a transsexual, became members of the Polish parliament, but, momentous as it was, it did not change much about LGBT rights.

At the same time, social awareness is changing. Lots of LGBT organizations are trying to change people’s minds and convince them that homosexuality is not an illness or a deviance. There are numerous initiatives worth mentioning, with pride parades held annualy in several Polish cities being perhaps the most interesting. The first time the Poles marched to voice their views was in 2001. In 2004, the Mayor of Warsaw, Lech Kaczyński—future president of Poland—did not grant his permission for a pride parade so a “standing manifestation” was held instead. It was attended by over 1,000 people, not only queers and LGBT activists but also people simply interested in equality, freedom, and justice. In 2005, Lech Kaczyński once again banned the parade. An illegal demonstration was attended by, among others, the Minister of the Interior and Administration, the Deputy Prime Minister, and several senators, MPs, and MEPs. Later on, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the Mayor’s decision had violated human rights.

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President-elect Andrzej Duda has said that issues “connected with the leftist ideology… are destroying the traditional family which, since the dawn of mankind, has assured its development and endurance”

What might this new era of Polish politics bring to LGBT people? Many are pretty certain: nothing good. Long before the election was held, it was quite clear that nearly all candidates were uninterested in making progress toward the legalisation of gay marriage. The matter of LGBT discrimination seems not to concern Polish political elites in the slightest—it is commonly considered a whim of the perverted few.

If they could be bothered to do some research, they would discover the “Rodziny z wyboru” (“Families of choice”) report, according to which “the perverted few” make up approximately 5% of the Polish population, with at least half of that number living in stable homosexual relationships. And the legal situation of these couples is difficult. By law, they are strangers, which poses a number of problems when it comes to medical or inheritance issues, not to mention parental rights. The thought of gay couples adopting children makes conservative Poles shiver with dread. Neither presidential candidate breathed one word on these matters throughout the whole campaign. One is faced with two less-than-appealing options here—is it better to be openly discriminated or to not exist at all?

More recently, a wave of controversy washed over the Polish media: when asked whether he would hire a homosexual person, Andrzej Duda answered that, of course, he would not care about personal relationships as long as the person in question was not running around half-naked. His words caused many people to wonder whether the president-elect has ever actually met any gays or lesbians; they also caused their hope for a substantial debate about civil partnerships to flag significantly.

It is noteworthy that the Polish debate about LGBT rights, as well as other contentious issues such as the equality of women and minorities, sex education, in vitro fertilisation, or gender identity is suffused with ideology instead of measurable facts and rational arguments. More often than not, the arguments are rooted in emotions and based on rumors and hearsay evidence. Several MPs are united in a parliamentary team “to stop the advance of the gender ideology,” convinced that it leads to the oversexualisation of children in elementary schools. There have also been draft motions to criminalise IVF, and homosexuals are sometimes accused of pedophilia. The once-innocent rainbow became a symbol of controversy, and some have stated that the counterarguments to gender theory and registered partnerships can be found in the Polish Constitution. It is hard, therefore, to even raise these subjects without emotions running high, not to mention to make any progress.

A 2012 marsz równoœci (pride march) in Krakow (PAP/Stanisław Rozpêdzik)

When does come to registered partnerships of two people of the same gender, the word “marriage” is rarely used. Polish LGBT activists do not even use the term “marriage equality”—they are seeking any systemic solution to legalise relationships in order to make the fiscal and medical matters easier to handle for gay couples. Without any legal measure of registering a relationship, couples are unable to jointly apply for loans or account taxes; they may not refuse to testify against each other in court, cannot be given medical information about their partner nor represent them in any way. In most cases, there is a workaround in the form of obtaining the power of attorney from a Notary Public, but whether they are accepted really depends on the goodwill (or whim, or views) of the medical or legal staff.

It is worth noting that heterosexual couples are not mentioned in the debate, unlike in, e.g., France, where civil solidarity pacts were introduced in 1999 and where most registered partnerships unite people of opposite sexes. Since there are more and more couples living without any legal recognition, perhaps the civil partnerships would be welcomed not only by the LGBT community.

This argument does not convince the ruling elites, though: they consider such topics irrelevant and unimportant. Andrzej Duda has claimed that “matters that are vital for society are not dealt with while others, undoubtedly connected with the leftist ideology, are being pushed forward. They are, in my view, destroying the traditional family which, since the dawn of mankind, has assured its development and endurance.” For all his declarations of not caring about one’s sexual orientation, the new president does not seem likely to lend a favourable ear to those marching in pride parades nor those submitting drafts in the Parliament, despite all his declarations.

But there is also one more vital, and often overlooked, issue. More and more European countries are passing laws on civil partnerships and marriage equality. These arrangements are not recognised under Polish law. In consequence, in Poland, same-sex couples married in other countries are effectively strangers. It is not hard to imagine how problematic that would be for people coming to our country with an intention to live here peacefully. The lack of any legal solution of the civil partnership issue is not only social and national but also a legal and international problem that needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Krystian Legierski, an LGBT activist, predicts that nothing will change in the next five years—any attempt to negotiate a change of law or submit any demands will be labelled “homosexual propaganda” and summarily dismissed. He sees the consolidation of Polish queers as the only hope and actually sees the five years of conservative rule as the factor inspiring that consolidation. However, it is still going to be five more years of stagnation. The parliamentary election this autumn may bring change—whether for better or for worse remains to be seen.

47 thoughts on “The US and Ireland are legalizing gay marriage. When will Poland?

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    June 27, 2015 at 6:03 pm
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    I am Irish and i would like to make a comment, as gay marriage is now legal in our Country, it is a big step moving iforward n the right direction. I go to Poland regular and i find it difficult to accept that Gay people are constantly discriminated against their choice of their sexuality preference. This is 2015 and it is time people from all over the world accept Homosexuality. Gay people are human and should be treated equally with respect, It should not matter if you are Black or White, Race, Religion or anything else should matter. We are all human and i’m sure anyone reading this will know someone close to them who are Gay, let it be a family member, relative, friend, neighbour etc… Gay people should not have to feel in timated or have to hide their sexuality preference. Equality is importand to us all and everyone should be treated equally. This is a way of life and no Governenment can change that, whatever Law is present in a Country people will still live their life to their sexual preference, it’s time that people accepted this and move on. Overall equality is key and let everyone live their own life and choose their own partner let it be straight or gay. Be non-judgemantal and live life to the full.

    Martin – Ireland

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      July 8, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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      I’m pretty convinced that behind every man shouting loudly about how perverted and immoral homosexuality is stands at least one very sad and slightly frightened person that cannot find the courage to tell him something very important.

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        July 20, 2015 at 10:26 pm
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        which is what?

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          December 8, 2015 at 7:09 pm
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          Lots of things. Read scientific studies about the average life expectancy of practising gays. And that is just the physical side of the problem. The problem with the West is that it promotes disfunctional lifestyles, lifestyles destructive to those who lead them and to the whole society. The West does not promote self restraint, it promotes self gratification. The US and Western Europe are unable to reproduce their own population and deliberately import thousands of immigrants. Read the Decline of the West by Spengler.

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            December 9, 2015 at 3:27 am
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            Could it be related to the fact that LGBTQ youth have some of the highest suicide rates because of the way they’re treated by a bigoted society? Hmm…

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            October 21, 2017 at 4:28 pm
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            Homosexuality is NOT some kind of trend, or lifestyle, or fashion frenzy. When I fall in love with a man, it’s love, I know it, I feel attraction, desire, emotion, affection, I feel pain, fear, jealousy, despair. Just the way you, heterosexual men, feel, when you are in love with a woman.
            Homosexuality is a part of Nature. It is there with the same right to existence as yours. You cannot deny me my right to be me. You cannot trample on my right to be happy. If you do so, then you cannot be called a Christian. A Christian who despises, hates, and is unable to understand that the world is not black or white…… cannot be called a Christian.
            You use religion as your weapon of destruction.
            Why can’t you leave gay people alone, if you cannot stand us? You don’t have to like us. And we don’t have to like you. But we have the same right to belong to humanity. If you rob us from this right, then you are committing a crime. The statistical nature of your argument is inevitably annulled by the reality of Nature’ s insuppressible progress. You cannot stop it.

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    June 28, 2015 at 6:26 am
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    Poland does not have to accept social degeneration just because other countries have done so. The normalization of laws between countries is an assault on culture. It eliminates choice. We have to accept that not only are people different but that there are different groups of people and I hope we can start respecting this. I live in toronto and I can sure say that Dudas comments of gay men walking around naked sure does describe the yearly gay pride parade they put on here quite accurately. The charm of Europe has always been the cultural diversity between each country. With the EU and globalization I fear we are giving up one of humanities biggest survival tools. Poland has stopped many cultural invasions like the Ottoman Empire, the Soviet empire, and I hope they can save them selves from future attacks on their culture.

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      July 8, 2015 at 12:19 pm
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      Duda didn’t refer to Pride parades, he had in mind people working in his office.

      A country cannot just ignore international law – what would it have to do, close borders? That’s not exactly what European Union is about, and by accessing EU Poland agreed to some conditions. You can have your ideas and morality or whatever you call it, but in the broader context it just means “you can’t eat cookie because I’m on a diet”.

      And don’t you dare telling me that intolerance and bigotry is my country’s cultural inheritance. We were always that culture capable to embrace diversity. That situation today is embarrassing. Do your research.

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      December 8, 2015 at 7:12 pm
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      A good point. Some authors tend to think inside the box of cultural colonialism. If some western countries (especially the US) have done this or that, other countries “should” follow. That is how they think. No, other countries should not follow. The US and Ireland can be wrong about their decisions. They are far from perfect.

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    June 28, 2015 at 9:44 am
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    Go to one of the Muslim countries and demand gay marriage to be approved. Is it by force that every country has to make it legal?

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      July 8, 2015 at 12:22 pm
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      There’s nothing in our law or our culture that would make it impossible to let people live their lives with dignity.

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        July 20, 2015 at 10:25 pm
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        Silence – Mouth of Soros!

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    June 28, 2015 at 4:53 pm
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    I grew up in Krakow, have lived in the USA for over 20 years. The lack of diversity and the nasty intolerance is the reason I could not live in Poland again.

    Kate – I find your comment funny. As I have traveled to Muslim countries with my Polish relatives, I found it shocking how the Polish criticize the Muslim culture for, among other things, forcing women to cover up. Why can’t we let people be who they are???? Seems like the Polish way is the only way….

    Adam – I think you misunderstood Dudas comment. I work with plenty of gay men and women at my corporation (largest pharmaceutical company in the world). I assure you, ain’t nobody running round naked in the office.

    Poland has a beautiful history – beautiful, strong people, long standing Polish pride. I will carry that in my heart forever and I love brining my friends to Krakow. But the society is full of its own problems. Racism, bigotry, the over-influence of the Catholic church will keep it behind the times.

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      June 29, 2015 at 10:17 am
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      Yep, the US can teach Poland a lot about tolerance. They tolerate the Ku Klax Klan, African-American poverty and the Confederate flag in the US, don’t they? I believe that Gays, Lesbian etc. should have the same rights according to the law except for marriage. I like the current definition of marriage as that of “between a man and a woman”, many other people do to. The marriage equality cause is an overblown middle-class problem. It is just a case of definition as in most western countries where gay marriage is illegal, gay couples still have the same property and other rights as straight people.

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      July 2, 2015 at 4:41 pm
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      Ania, if you honestly think that racism is not rife in Krakow you are seriously deluding yourself. Eastern Europeans are incredibly insular for some reason. The main thing that bothers me is the fact that these bitter little racist bigots feel they have the right to spew out their racist bile wherever they go.

      So if if agree to the premise that Polish people are racist and as has been said on this site many a time are entitled to be racist in ‘their own’ country please please please just stay in Poland. It’s disgusting you people feel you have the right to infect decent countries and cultures with your racism and hatred.

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        July 2, 2015 at 4:44 pm
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        Sorry Ania that was for Jan. I’m sure the Irish are delighted to have her in their country.

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        July 6, 2015 at 9:18 pm
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        It actually is “their own” country so I am not sure why you put quotation marks around it. You seem to have a problem with understanding the concept of property or fatherland.

        As far as the LGBT debate, one can only say it’s a huge distraction. 5%-6% of the population is gay – born that way – they will stay that way. You have no way to change that. Maybe one day, someone will find the responsible genes (or whatever) and maybe there will be a way to “change” that – maybe even pre-birth. But that’s future moral dilemmas. Until that day, reality is what it is.

        If they want to be married, let them be married. More money for divorce lawyers. If they want to adopt children, let them adopt children (in fact, with lesbians, you can’t really stop them from having them in the first place). Plenty of couples like that and kids seem to be doing well.

        Will there be pedophile “couples” among them? Maybe, but what %? Is that different than among heterosexual couples? Not sure – one argument would have to be that, as women are less likely to be pedos, having woman in the relationship provides an additional check. This is likely true. But is there a better way to deal with this issue, than denying all LGBT the right to marry?

        Then the issue goes away and we can move on to other more relevant matters. And if you are worried about the Islamization of Europe, it is no surprise that the LGBT community would likely produce the toughest “soldiers” against that.

        Finally, branding Eastern Europeans as bigots or the like, simply because you don’t like what they think, is no doubt a very persuasive way of going about things – no doubt you have lots of friends as a result. Put simply, if you don’t like Poland and others in the neighborhood, then stay out of it and stop your whining.

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          July 8, 2015 at 12:36 pm
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          I’m especially angry seeing this “gays are pedophiles” argument. It’s based on rumours and discriminating, and science proved it wrong long time ago. (In 1994 study led by Carole Jenny of the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center surveyed 269 cases of children who were sexually molested by adults. In 82 percent of cases, the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child. In only _two out of 269_ cases the offender was identified as being gay or lesbian. More here: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/94/1/41)

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            July 21, 2015 at 4:54 am
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            “Results. In the remaining 269 cases, two offenders were identified as being gay or lesbian. In 82% of cases (222/269), the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child.”

            note that this does not state (and maybe the rest of the article does, does it?) whether the “heterosexual” partner was of the same sex as the victim. Also, how were “bisexual” partners classified? Do you know?

            “Conclusions. The children in the group studied were unlikely to have been molested by identifiably gay or lesbian people.”

            What does “identifiably gay or lesbian” mean? That they have to self-identify?

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          July 17, 2015 at 5:38 pm
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          ‘ ‘ are inverted commas you moron
          ” ” are quotation marks.

          Do you own a country? Even the most staunch nationalist would want to be completely retarded to lay claim to ownership of an entire country. After all, it is only a piece of land and borders are lines drawn by men and the hilarious thing about it those arbitrary lines that surround what you call the fatherland weren’t even drawn by poles. You are an ignorant inbred fascist moron, who will ultimately amount to nothing.

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            July 20, 2015 at 10:21 pm
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            Yes, we own our country. It was given to us by GO*. Before whose might all enemies of the Polish Nation will wither away as they have done more than a million times before. We were here 4000 years ago, we were here 2000 years ago, we are here today and we will be here 1000 years from now. All others are worthless dust scattered away from us by GO* into a nothing.

            You, not only amount to nothing – you are nothing. When you die, you will know that you were born a nothing, were nothing and went to nothing – you are a temporary biological fluctuation. You can’t even be killed because you are nothing.

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            July 21, 2015 at 4:55 am
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            I’d get my money back from that anger management class if I were you Trevorski

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            July 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm
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            Magdalena, you are possibly the most stupid person I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. GO* doesn’t exist.

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            July 28, 2015 at 10:33 pm
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            @trevor: apparently God’s plan for you is only a role of a sad little troll -find yourself a better profession

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      December 8, 2015 at 7:19 pm
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      Your generalisation are a good example of stereotyping. You seem to ignore the problems of American society. It is far from perfect. But apart from that, the US is different from Poland and it is just a fact. If you are happy to live in the US, that is great. Most Poles are happy to live in Poland and they want to preserve their culture. It is natural for countries whose population is not majority-immigrant to stick to their own culture and protect it. The US is another story. Your attempt to shame Poles is ludicrous. People who live in your town in the US might be more used to diversity but they have some other problems you chose not to mention, no one is perfect.

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    June 29, 2015 at 2:38 pm
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    The east of Europe is seen sometimes by people from the west of Europe as backward and in need of reform. When the east of Europe was joining EC there were a lot of voices concerned at the eastern European countries finances and that strict financial controls and checks will have to be applied to these countries (because they are so behind in everything they will make a mess of it) and yet it was countries in west of Europe that sent Europe in recession and almost collapse due to the greed of their people and lack of financial control and understanding of economy. Strange how nobody in west of Europe seems to see this even now as Greece is about to exist eurozone.
    But to point… similarly the east of Europe is now being lectured by West on what to do in terms of morality and social life. Not everything is bad i agree and east of europe needs to catch up with many good things from west but who says this should be one direction conversation. Because someone jumped out of the window does not mean we have to do it. If Ireland wants to redefine marriage ok but please you do not have monopoly for the truth. Equality love etc are very good things but I do not think they are principles in themselves as the LGTB community makes them. If they way LGTB presents ‘love’ and ‘equality’ is the most important then anything almost can get explain by these words and out of the window goes our laws, any logical thinking or science e.g if brother and sister love each other sure its ok let them marry then no who says no they have the right as anybody else! I do not want to go this way because is just crazy. Same for equality before it used to mean making sure that disabled people have same access to work, study and life in general as other people which is fantastic but now it has been kidnapped by LGTB and used as some kid of universal law that belittles the traditional marriage, parenthood and mocks people that think differently (you can only think the correct way) – i just wonder when will LGTB stop when will they be satisfied?
    I am polish living in Ireland and did not leave Poland because of racism or over influence of RC church (never heard anything bad being said about gay people in poland really not more than in Ireland where I think in the past there were stronger anti gay sentiments than ever in poland) but because a company here offered me better pay.simple

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      July 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm
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      Jan, if you honestly think that racism is not rife in Krakow you are seriously deluding yourself. Eastern Europeans are incredibly insular for some reason. The main thing that bothers me is the fact that these bitter little racist bigots feel they have the right to spew out their racist bile wherever they go.

      So if if agree to the premise that Polish people are racist and as has been said on this site many a time are entitled to be racist in ‘their own’ country please please please just stay in Poland. It’s disgusting you people feel you have the right to infect decent countries and cultures with your racism and hatred.

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        July 6, 2015 at 9:21 pm
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        It looks like it is you who is on the Krakow Post website not Poles on the Birmingham Post website so it may be wise to take your own advice.

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          July 20, 2015 at 10:23 pm
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          Do not talk to a nothing. A nothing just needs to evaporate.

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            July 23, 2015 at 4:36 pm
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            Says the idiot who believes some form of God gives land to people based on their race

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            July 28, 2015 at 10:34 pm
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            It’s our secret covenant with God.

            You… don’t have one of those Trevor, do you?

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    June 30, 2015 at 10:02 am
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    I posted a comment here yesterday and was deleted – no bad words no judgment but i suppose it was not in line with the LGTB way of thinking

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      June 30, 2015 at 2:05 pm
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      Apologies, our automatic spam filter interpreted your comment as nonsense and it had to be manually restored.

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    July 1, 2015 at 5:27 am
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    The fact that this article points to the United States as some beacon of moral rectitude because the Supreme Court decided in favor of gay marriage is comical.

    I can guarantee you that the United States is done. I’ve lived in the United States my entire life while travelling extensively abroad. And, I’ve had the opportunity to live in all regions of the United States. They’ve kept the southern border open purposefully for decades to provide cheap labor.
    Obama has amplified that by coordinating delivery of trainloads of illegals to the southern border where they are whisked away by government buses and housed, fed and provided first class access to medical treatment for free. The taxpayers pick up the check and will do so for this generation and a good part of the next.

    There are no background checks being done as the illegals typically arrive without any paperwork that is verifiable. You can only import so much poverty and crime before the percentages prove to be a disastrous burden on existing institutions and social infrastructure. The United States is Done. Trust me.

    But, I’ve digressed from the gay celebration. There hasn’t been a society in the history of the world that has been based around Gay Values. Why do you supporters think that is the case. Have we just caught up to the ‘right way’ for what was anathema for thousands of years. No. It is the mindlessness of our age. It is the age of imbeciles with fragmented attention spans who can be sold a pile of shit with a highly produced commercial.

    The Bottom Line:
    The current Gay celebration is an attack on western values. There is the inevitable attack on the traditional family which is without question the foundation of the Gay agenda. It goes on every day, every hour in America.

    Right now, this generation of American males has been deballed by a corrupt and twisted media.
    And, the United States has been laid low by the Supreme Court decision. To celebrate it is to celebrate the demise of a structure that produced great science and great art without the need for test tube children. How bad could that have been?

    Transsexuals will be commissioned officers in the military. If you don’t understand that this is preposterous- you will understand it in a time of war. It’s wholly disruptive and destructive to military culture. Is Gay culture the only culture that should be respected. Should every other culture be modified so that Gay culture can be promoted. It’s absurd if you take the time to think about it. Unfortunately, too many people are deficient in critical thinking skills.

    LGBT, why is the T last. Does this not make transsexuals feel like fourth class citizens? Change the order. Fairness demands it.
    Yes, this is sarcasm. But it reflects the absolute stupidity of the situational thought police on patrol in the US and other parts of the world. I see Poland has its share.

    Poland: Stay Straight!!! Accept the lifestyle of gays and lesbians. They are human beings deserving respect as human beings separate and apart from their sexuality. I am not advocating discrimination. I accept that gays are human beings deserving of respect in every aspect of life, work and play. But, I think it’s insane to base your society and its values and traditions around 5-6% of your population. That’s just stupid.
    Leave that to the United States and Ireland.

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      July 6, 2015 at 9:26 pm
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      “The current Gay celebration is an attack on western values” Not at all. It is a recognition of the fact that a bunch of people are born in a particular way and that they live among you and want the same (or quasi same) rights. Why all the drama? The Supreme Court’s decision – whatever you may think of it as a matter of legal analysis – is a way to remove a non-issue.

      The fact that this is even an issue in Poland is silly. Like the whole IVF debate – is Poland facing a demographic catastrophe? Would it be helpful to have more Poles? But hey, let’s focus on what the “Catholic” (not Polish) Church says because you think that this is all a part of some conspiracy to end up having gay donkeys produce IVF mule children (or something like that)

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        July 9, 2015 at 12:22 am
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        Your statement: “The Supreme Court’s decision – whatever you may think of it as a matter of legal analysis – is a way to remove a non-issue” is ridiculous even by your standards. To attempt to define The crucial issue as a non issue is typical doublespeak not unlike the phrases that Orwell used in 1984. “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” And in your case, the issue of homosexual marriage is a non issue. I suppose in your mind it’s always been that way. And, that’s fine although you can’t name a single society in the last two thousand years where your “non-issue” was the accepted norm.
        Your post does serve to illustrate the lack of respect for the time tested traditional family – husband, wife, children as well as every social structure built upon it. – a non-issue….of course.

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          July 20, 2015 at 10:12 pm
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          I think the point is… we are being flooded by an invasion of foreigners. Our leaders have betrayed us – most of them are whores. in the meantime, the biggest issue is “abortion” and “gay marriage” – a gay man that raises ten Polish children is worth 10 times a straight one that can squirt out only one. Our biological future is in danger and you are concerned about 5% of the population. Do you know how stupid you sound?

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    July 1, 2015 at 8:35 pm
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    Those few of us in the USA hope that Poland will not follow the USA and Ireland by legalizing homosexual marriage. Oremus!

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    July 6, 2015 at 10:47 pm
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    Poland has much longer tradition & legacy of tolerance than some of you, patronising (or perhaps ignorant) ‘westerners’, could think of. When witches were being burnt in Western & Southern Europe or Hugenots were slaughtered in France a couple of hundred years ago, Poland (Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) became a haven for various religious & ethnic communities.

    But IMO the Polish nation have a healthy backbone and can differentiate tolerance from the terror of minorities, be it ethnic, religious or the likes of LGBT.

    I deeply believe Poland will never say Yes to gay marriages.

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      July 8, 2015 at 12:44 pm
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      I honestly don’t understand how the first paragraph of your comment is supposed to lead to the second and third. What “having the backbone” has in common with hope that Poles would ignore the fact that one group of Polish citizens is deprived of basic human rights? Terror of minorities, are you serious? They just want to live peacefully and have their loved ones legally recognized as members of family, not strangers, is that so much to ask?

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        July 18, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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        Yawn…

        Look Magdalena, you wrote/compiled the above article, so it’s quite pathetic that you go on to ‘defend’ your agenda in the section of readers’ comments.

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          July 20, 2015 at 10:24 pm
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          Lord Soros’ money is good and its slaves are everywhere. By their words you will know them too.

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    July 24, 2015 at 12:04 am
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    I live in Poland and have done for 7 years. Poland is neither racist nor anti gay, fact! I grew up in Birmingham, England probably one of the most multi cultural cities in the UK but I remember as a child in the 70’s being racist and homophobic even the BBC showed racist and homophobic TV shows. It wasn’t that I was doing it deliberately it was just a lack of contact with other groups, a lack of understanding of people who were different to my social group.

    Over time I learnt some valuable lessons, Poland has some lessons to learn and over time things will change and as a country they will decide how to treat people who are different. I think Poland’s current youth and the next generation will see Poland become much more tolerant. Don’t judge the Poles today judge them when they have greater understanding of what the west has lived with for many many years.

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    August 2, 2015 at 4:00 am
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    It will happen when you are able to get from under the mammoth weight of Catholic Church!

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    October 2, 2015 at 3:39 pm
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    I dont see anything wrong with same sex couple to get married as long as they commit to love each other for eternity. Gender is not a basis of forever.

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    December 8, 2015 at 7:31 pm
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    I want to address Poles who love and feel responsible for their people and country. Any society needs to be robust and reproduce itself to have a long history. Whenever destructive trends appear they endanger the very existence of a given society. Lack of self restraint and the promotion of self gratification weakens societies. This is what happend in Ancient Rome. It begins with ideas such as those promoted by the LGBT community and leads to promiscuity, the destruction of the traditional family, the dictatorship by minorities of all kinds. In the long run there emerges a society where people are inherently unhappy, there is a lot of violence and alienation, and the country constantly depends on a constant flow of immigrants. There is a good example across the ocean. If you do not want your country to follow this path, be on the alert and actively oppose these trends.

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