Comments on: “Polish death camps” censorship bill angers Israeli government http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel Wed, 23 May 2018 21:18:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.6 By: Sowa http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1853224 Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:25:37 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1853224 Identity politics. Ain’t it a hoot? Each man is a cartographer, constructing maps of the world with his mind and then striving in vain to make the terrain fit the map because men are fools, forgetting that the map is not the territory. There is no such thing as a German, a Pole, or a Jew. There are only human beings who think they are Germans, Poles, and Jews. We’ve worn our masks for so long that we’re unable to see each other without them.

“When you strip yourselves naked, without shame, and cast your clothes beneath your feet, dancing upon them like little children, then you will be a child of the Living One.” – Jesus (Gospel of Thomas)

Stop hiding behind your masks as costumes. Become real men and women.

I would like to see a world wore more Christians actually read Christ’s words instead of reading words about Christ, a world where Jews reflect on the fact that Jesus’ real name was Yehoshua and that he was a devout circumcised member of the Nazarene Essene Jewish sect. Then maybe Christians might see they are just a branch off of the same tree and Jews today might realize Jesus was just 2,000 years ahead of his time.

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By: michal karski http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1850181 Tue, 27 Feb 2018 09:56:00 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1850181 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/opinion/polish-jews-holocaust-bill.html

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By: michal karski http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1850180 Tue, 27 Feb 2018 09:48:07 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1850180 PS – Great article in the New York Times (paywall) from Jonathan Ornstein, Krakow’s own “Man of Hope”.

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By: michal karski http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1850177 Tue, 27 Feb 2018 09:28:28 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1850177 Not much of an argument, Mae. Unfortunately, a lot of people on both sides of this debate are reacting in pretty much the same way that you just did. What we need to do is listen to the historians, those who have no axe to grind, and are not prejudiced one way or the other. But are we really prepared to discover some unpleasant truths about our ancestors?

As a matter of fact, the Krakow Post ran a feature exactly two years ago arguing against this legislation. You didn’t have to be Cassandra the prophet to predict that this furore was going to happen.

http://www.krakowpost.com/11648/2016/02/fighting-phrase-polish-death-camps-with-education-not-censorship

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By: Mae White http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1849518 Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:28:45 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1849518 Your grandfather did NOT die after a “Polish Jew’s interrogation
I call you a liar.

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By: Sylvia http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1848658 Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:27:20 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1848658 To make words and phrases illegal suggests that there is something to be hidden. What are you trying to hide? It would be much wiser to use this as an educational opportunity. The truth will speak for itself. Bring things out in the open for discussion and debate. I am of Polish descent and would like to believe that Poland did not support the Nazi actions. But if you use censorship and threats of legal actions, it makes it sound like the Poles were involved and have something to hide. Keep the discussion open, let the truth speak for itself.

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By: michal karski http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1848190 Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:32:06 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1848190 PS – I think I preferred the film to the book.

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By: michal karski http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1848189 Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:31:28 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1848189 I don’t think the Prezes actually knows what’s hit him. Does he not realize that it was the failure of his own government to confront the extreme right-wing xenophobes and anti-Semites which has brought about this state of affairs? Granted, there are people out there right now accusing Poland of “Holocaust Denialism”, which is not strictly fair – since no-one is denying the reality of the Holocaust – but this proposed law will not only inhibit academic discussion of history, but it has already alienated Israel and Ukraine, and is making no friends in the USA. Historians should be able to establish who did what when without being afraid of upsetting any governments.

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By: michal karski http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1848169 Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:02:42 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1848169 “To save their own skins” is the important qualification. Citizens were no longer under the protection of any kind of civilized law. The Third Reich’s genocidal policies were in operation. A barbaric invader could shoot anyone in the street with impunity for no other reason than their physical appearance. So people were murdered en masse, as we know. How many of us would have acted heroically in the circumstances of those times?

I note Mr K is condemning anti-Semitism, and rightly. But a little bit of humility on the part of this government might be in order. There are voices on all sides of this debate shouting “what about this?” or “what about that?” What about the alleged enthusiasm of some Polish citizens who greeted the invaders, both the invading army from the west as well as the invading army from the east. These are matters for objective historians and not for any government decree.

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By: Eva http://www.krakowpost.com/18591/2018/01/polish-death-camps-censorship-bill-angers-israel#comment-1848146 Sun, 11 Feb 2018 06:38:10 +0000 http://www.krakowpost.com/?p=18591#comment-1848146 Hundreds of thousand News murdered by Poles? Where did you get those statistics from? Evidence?
Maybe you should look into the Jews who collaborated with the Germans to save their own skins.

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